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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://serenityhacker.com/2009/11/accepting-suffering-and-a-call-for-compassion/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 07:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a few words to share. I think all of us needs to suffer. By suffering we are broke. He needs to break us so we can be whole again. I believe we are not given any suffering if we are not strong enough to make it.
.-= Fern´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mario-game.org/mario-games-kids/&quot;&gt;mario games for girls&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few words to share. I think all of us needs to suffer. By suffering we are broke. He needs to break us so we can be whole again. I believe we are not given any suffering if we are not strong enough to make it.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Fern´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.mario-game.org/mario-games-kids/">mario games for girls</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://serenityhacker.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jan Lundy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Lundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful! And so well said. Tis true, when we ignore the suffering (others or our own) we miss out on cultivating compassion (which to me is the be all and end all...). I never understood the connection until I took a serious dive into Buddhist study years ago. I had avoided even thinking about suffering. Now I get it, thankfully, and being so aware of other&#039;s (and my own) suffering has opened and kept me soft. Yes, sometimes it is hard to face and I often weep so easily. But the result of having &quot;a heart as wide as the world&quot; may be the greatest gift of all. 

I thank you for bringing up this very important topic and being so brave to embrace the suffering of all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful! And so well said. Tis true, when we ignore the suffering (others or our own) we miss out on cultivating compassion (which to me is the be all and end all&#8230;). I never understood the connection until I took a serious dive into Buddhist study years ago. I had avoided even thinking about suffering. Now I get it, thankfully, and being so aware of other&#8217;s (and my own) suffering has opened and kept me soft. Yes, sometimes it is hard to face and I often weep so easily. But the result of having &#8220;a heart as wide as the world&#8221; may be the greatest gift of all. </p>
<p>I thank you for bringing up this very important topic and being so brave to embrace the suffering of all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tess The Bold Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tess The Bold Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wrote on my PD blog last week,
&quot;Life can be difficult, it&#039;s what makes us interesting, human and capable.&quot;

Difficult to me includes suffering. 

Being raised Catholic allowed me to learn compassion. At the same time being one of 10 kids we were taught &quot; think of the starving children in Africa.&quot; To me this was a double message. Feel sorry for others but not for yourself. Have compassion for others but not for yourself.

As a therapist I was gifted with the ability to have compassion and walk in another&#039;s shoes. Because I left the Catholic church I learned to have compassion for myself and embrace all suffering, my own and others (things may have changed in the teachings of Catholicism today, I wouldn&#039;t know).

My dream was to work in Mother Teresa&#039;s mission in India. I never made it but a close friend of mine did. I have volunteered in Mexico several times, Mi, AZ Mississippi, and Texas. 

I embrace my own suffering and find a gift in the midst of it each time. I think in your last paragraph &quot;be kind to yourself&quot; needs to come before &quot;be kind to others.&quot; We can&#039;t give to someone else what we haven&#039;t given to ourselves. We can&#039;t acknowledge that others are suffering when we don&#039;t acknowledge that we are suffering.

Maybe some of the people behind &quot;all the positive psychology&quot; out there aren&#039;t writing about it because they&#039;ve ignored it (suffering) in themselves and there fore don&#039;t recognize it in others. If that&#039;s the case, to them I offer compassion.

I encourage everyone to feel sad, feel weak, feel small, feel sorrow, loss and all else including happiness, gratitude, love...and no matter what you do feel share it with others.

Love what Belinda share about Eisler, &quot;that we should own our emotions.&quot;

And Lori, when people say, &quot;just be positive...you&#039;ll be fine&quot; it&#039;s BS. It&#039;s usually said due to the inability to &quot;be with someone in their pain.&quot; Those words are all about the person speaking not the person being spoken too...

Also Lori: What words of wisdom:On Being Ill, “We do not know our own souls, let alone the souls of others. Human beings do not go hand in hand the whole stretch of the way. There is a virgin forest in each; a snowfield where even the print of birds’ feet is unknown. Here we go alone, and like it better so.”

I&#039;ve never heard that and it stops me right in my tracks, very powerful and true.

What Robin says, &quot;AND how it can rob us of soul and vital wisdom, growth, compassion, peace and health. True happiness.&quot;

There lies the gift of suffering. My daughter Kristy who was born physically challenged has suffered at the hands of thoughtless, clueless, cruel people and yet has been a gift to everyone who meets her. Robin&#039;s words describe Kristy and the gifts she has brought to our family. Yet when I blog about Kristy I don&#039;t blog about  her pain and challenges I blog about her growth, spirit and strength. The only reason I can give for that is I think her pain and challenges are her personal story and hers to write about.

Anyway that&#039;s the scoop as I see it...thanks for giving me this opportunity to rant. Oh and I did see the Dali Lama and I heard him speak in Chicago years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrote on my PD blog last week,<br />
&#8220;Life can be difficult, it&#8217;s what makes us interesting, human and capable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Difficult to me includes suffering. </p>
<p>Being raised Catholic allowed me to learn compassion. At the same time being one of 10 kids we were taught &#8221; think of the starving children in Africa.&#8221; To me this was a double message. Feel sorry for others but not for yourself. Have compassion for others but not for yourself.</p>
<p>As a therapist I was gifted with the ability to have compassion and walk in another&#8217;s shoes. Because I left the Catholic church I learned to have compassion for myself and embrace all suffering, my own and others (things may have changed in the teachings of Catholicism today, I wouldn&#8217;t know).</p>
<p>My dream was to work in Mother Teresa&#8217;s mission in India. I never made it but a close friend of mine did. I have volunteered in Mexico several times, Mi, AZ Mississippi, and Texas. </p>
<p>I embrace my own suffering and find a gift in the midst of it each time. I think in your last paragraph &#8220;be kind to yourself&#8221; needs to come before &#8220;be kind to others.&#8221; We can&#8217;t give to someone else what we haven&#8217;t given to ourselves. We can&#8217;t acknowledge that others are suffering when we don&#8217;t acknowledge that we are suffering.</p>
<p>Maybe some of the people behind &#8220;all the positive psychology&#8221; out there aren&#8217;t writing about it because they&#8217;ve ignored it (suffering) in themselves and there fore don&#8217;t recognize it in others. If that&#8217;s the case, to them I offer compassion.</p>
<p>I encourage everyone to feel sad, feel weak, feel small, feel sorrow, loss and all else including happiness, gratitude, love&#8230;and no matter what you do feel share it with others.</p>
<p>Love what Belinda share about Eisler, &#8220;that we should own our emotions.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Lori, when people say, &#8220;just be positive&#8230;you&#8217;ll be fine&#8221; it&#8217;s BS. It&#8217;s usually said due to the inability to &#8220;be with someone in their pain.&#8221; Those words are all about the person speaking not the person being spoken too&#8230;</p>
<p>Also Lori: What words of wisdom:On Being Ill, “We do not know our own souls, let alone the souls of others. Human beings do not go hand in hand the whole stretch of the way. There is a virgin forest in each; a snowfield where even the print of birds’ feet is unknown. Here we go alone, and like it better so.”</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard that and it stops me right in my tracks, very powerful and true.</p>
<p>What Robin says, &#8220;AND how it can rob us of soul and vital wisdom, growth, compassion, peace and health. True happiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>There lies the gift of suffering. My daughter Kristy who was born physically challenged has suffered at the hands of thoughtless, clueless, cruel people and yet has been a gift to everyone who meets her. Robin&#8217;s words describe Kristy and the gifts she has brought to our family. Yet when I blog about Kristy I don&#8217;t blog about  her pain and challenges I blog about her growth, spirit and strength. The only reason I can give for that is I think her pain and challenges are her personal story and hers to write about.</p>
<p>Anyway that&#8217;s the scoop as I see it&#8230;thanks for giving me this opportunity to rant. Oh and I did see the Dali Lama and I heard him speak in Chicago years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Miche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frugal Expat, thanks for leaving a comment! I think part of the &quot;brighter&quot; side that you mention is that we&#039;re not unique in the experience of suffering, though it can feel like we are, and that we are very alone. Cheers, Miche</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frugal Expat, thanks for leaving a comment! I think part of the &#8220;brighter&#8221; side that you mention is that we&#8217;re not unique in the experience of suffering, though it can feel like we are, and that we are very alone. Cheers, Miche</p>
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		<title>By: Miche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Holly, thanks for visiting. I agree that victims in our society and worldwide don&#039;t really get the care they need and deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Holly, thanks for visiting. I agree that victims in our society and worldwide don&#8217;t really get the care they need and deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.. I like this post..and you are perfectly correct! Suffering is part of our existence...yet most of the time, we complain as why we are suffering.. Perhaps we need to see it  the brighter side of our suffering..

Cheers
.-= Frugal Expat´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://frugalexpat.com/2009/11/05/brawling-for-aed-10/&quot;&gt;Brawling for AED 10&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.. I like this post..and you are perfectly correct! Suffering is part of our existence&#8230;yet most of the time, we complain as why we are suffering.. Perhaps we need to see it  the brighter side of our suffering..</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
<span class="cluv"> Frugal Expat´s last blog ..<a href="http://frugalexpat.com/2009/11/05/brawling-for-aed-10/">Brawling for AED 10</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://serenityhacker.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Miche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kaushik, thanks for visiting, it&#039;s great to have you comment here. I like the verbiage &quot;the full spectrum of human experience&quot;... that sounds nice, it makes it colorful. Thanks for contributing, and understanding too the importance of being present. I don&#039;t know how optional suffering is though... I don&#039;t think it&#039;s really that optional. I understand what you&#039;re saying here but I think unless one is completely an enlightened being, he or she will likely suffer at times.... Know what I mean? Thanks for adding to the discussion, and keep in touch! -Miche ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kaushik, thanks for visiting, it&#8217;s great to have you comment here. I like the verbiage &#8220;the full spectrum of human experience&#8221;&#8230; that sounds nice, it makes it colorful. Thanks for contributing, and understanding too the importance of being present. I don&#8217;t know how optional suffering is though&#8230; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s really that optional. I understand what you&#8217;re saying here but I think unless one is completely an enlightened being, he or she will likely suffer at times&#8230;. Know what I mean? Thanks for adding to the discussion, and keep in touch! -Miche <img src='http://serenityhacker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kaushik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Miche,

Great article. Agree with you that we must be present to everything going on. The whole be-positive movement is not sustainable. Ignoring the negative does not make i go away.

Pain is part of the full spectrum of human experience. Suffering is optional. The outside is reflection of the inside. And most of inside are full of fear and sadness, and so we suffer. We just have to be present to this, be aware, and we can let it go.

k
.-= Kaushik´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BeyondKarma/~3/8kskke1Ud2k/&quot;&gt;Getting into the flow of Awakening&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Miche,</p>
<p>Great article. Agree with you that we must be present to everything going on. The whole be-positive movement is not sustainable. Ignoring the negative does not make i go away.</p>
<p>Pain is part of the full spectrum of human experience. Suffering is optional. The outside is reflection of the inside. And most of inside are full of fear and sadness, and so we suffer. We just have to be present to this, be aware, and we can let it go.</p>
<p>k<br />
<span class="cluv"> Kaushik´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BeyondKarma/~3/8kskke1Ud2k/">Getting into the flow of Awakening</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://serenityhacker.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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